Stock Talk – December, 2015

Stock Talk

Peter

Peter

Could you please comment on JPEP? Is their 18% dividend sustainable?

Igor Greenwald

Igor Greenwald

We don’t cover it unfortunately, so I really can’t at the moment, but I’ll add it to my to-research list.

HM

HM

What are your best (3) Midstream Pipelines based on lower leverage, higher coverage ratios and drop down potential from GP in 2016?

Do you believe KMI will cut div? Sources state a 40% cut could get leverage to acceptable range and eliminate funding requirements for the year.

Igor Greenwald

Igor Greenwald

The KMI opart of the question has been answered I guess. The Magellan (MMP) distribution is a s safe as they come, and while the yield is accordingly more modest it will grow at least 10% next year. EQM is also exceptionally well covered and growing fast thanks to dropdowns; it’s a Marcellus gas play with an exceptionally well-financed sponsor and things there will only get better. I’d also look at AM, which has a somewhat similar profile, and APU in propane distribution.

Charles Torrey

Charles Torrey

In your view, do you believe that the WPZ distribution is secure.
Does the ETE CEO buying $63 million of ETE stock give you any comfort that the ETP distribution is secure, as its IDRs are a primary source of ETE cash flow.
Your insight is always appreciated, and valued.
Charles Torrey

Igor Greenwald

Igor Greenwald

I don’t think the WPZ distribution is secure because they can’t really issue equity at the current yield and do have a lot of 2016 spending needs. But I expect ETE’s Kelcy Warren to find a creative solution and even if WPZ needs to cut I expect it to have only a muted effect on cash flow at ETE. I expect that risk has already been priced into ETE’s own 9% yield given its long-term growth prospects.

Peter

Peter

What’s your take on the claim that ETE has a debt/EBITDA ratio of 7,2 based on their 10-Q filings (source: http://valuentumbrian.tumblr.com/post/134937468895/alert-energy-transfer-equity-is-more-than-7x)?

Igor Greenwald

Igor Greenwald

The author’s not credible. The metric is EBITDA, not EBDA, and if I simply plug interest payments into his calculation the consolidated leverage looks to be in the 5.4x range. But keep in mind that while it may make some sense to look on a consolidated basis, in fact ETE affiliates like ETP service their own debt and are rated separately. I stand by the debt leverage info for both ETE and ETP that I provided here: http://www.investingdaily.com/energy-strategist/articles/24242/after-the-fall-3/ . And ETE provided some additional credit color from the agencies on page 18 of its Dec. 7 presentation: http://phx.corporate-ir.net/External.File?item=UGFyZW50SUQ9NjA0NzczfENoaWxkSUQ9MzE1ODkxfFR5cGU9MQ==&t=1

Bill Carr

Bill Carr

The market would appear to be of the opinion that the ETE, WMB merger will not happen. In the event this merger does not come to fruition, what effect would a failure have on ETP,SXL Ned WPZ?

Igor Greenwald

Igor Greenwald

Oh, I think the market expects it to happen. Might not be happy about that, though. I too think the merger vote at Williams is mostly a formality at this point.

Charles Torrey

Charles Torrey

Robert, you mention that ETEs partnerships may have to cut their distributions, yet ETP is a buy in the Conservative Portfolio. Are you comfortable with the distribution safety of this MLP.
I have a substantial position in ETP and am trying to gauge the going forward risk. Also, are you still thinking mid 16 before the oil supply/demand comes into balance.
Thank you and keep the insightful information coming.
Charles Torrey

Charles Torrey

Igor Greenwald

Igor Greenwald

I think the ETE affiliate most likely to cut its distribution is WPZ, but I would expect only a muted affect on ETE cash flows even if that were to happen. As for ETP, it got more than $2B in cash from dropping down the rest of its retail assets to Sunoco recently, so even if they don’t want to increase debt leverage they could likely wait until next fall before needing to sell equity (need roughly $1B in equity financing next year of which roughly half is expected to be raised more or less automatically via DRIP). Bottom line is I think the odds of ETE cutting are maybe 10-1 against, and maybe 5-1 against for ETP. Moreover, I believe the market is currently pricing in much higher odds of a cut for both. But I also want to acknowledge that almost any MLP that needs to raise equity next year will have a hard time justifying the cost unless MLP equity prices recover. A distribution cut will look like an attractive alternative for some. But ETP has enough better options and the time to wait this out, I believe.

Charles Torrey

Charles Torrey

Thanks Igor. Very helpful, as always.
GLP was at one time a top 10 pick, and is now a hold. I established a pretty good position as I was particularly attracted to their downstream assets, and the perceived balance and safety that they provided. Do you think their price action is warranted by any fundamental issue. Their DCF coverage was well above one. Do you think they are a distribution cut candidate, or is the current pricing simply unwarranted. As an aside, I must say that the insiders were very timely in their sales in the mid $30s. I purchased at about $30 and want to hold on if the distribution is secure.
Again, your thoughts are appreciated.
Charles Torrey

Igor Greenwald

Igor Greenwald

I’ll be posting a portfolio update on GLP in The Energy Letter later today and upgrading it to a buy. Think there’s very little chance they cut the distribution any time soon.

Don D.

Don D.

Robert and Igor a challenging year and I am looking ahead still holding my positions as I don’t think the Dinosaurs will be back to create more energy. So with that I read this piece and it contained many good points. Near the end it mentioned companies like FCEL and others for alternative which I have invested in the past. How do you feel the new ridiculous but law energy policy will make these companies invest-able?

http://marketrealist.com/2015/12/oil-gas-industry-hit-multiyear-lows-2015/

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