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William Lasarzig
Robert, whats your take on some of the rumors that MLP”S will crash when interest rates start to rise or is the current Energy MLP correction just part of the rotation from interest yielding stocks. My take is if we have inflation down the road the energy MLP’s will go higher. Your insights would be appreciated
Igor Greenwald
I’m not Robert, but I just wrote a whole column on this very subject for our sister publication MLP Profits, and my view is that the rate fears are way overblown, as are concerns about the fallout for MLPs. The economy is a long way from healed, and until that happens the Fed will remain engaged. And if meaningful inflation were to show up sometime in the future, MLPs would be hedged via higher prices, absolutely. People were looking for an excuse to lighten up and rates offered a convenient one.
Was it only a month ago that MLPs were hyped as the hot new Hollywood craze? Has it really been just two weeks since an uncommonly bullish industry conference all-but-yawned at rising bond yields?
It’s almost hard to recall how it felt at the time. Because now I get perfectly sensible reader mail like this:
“What has driven the 5-8 percent drop in the MLP Model portfolio over the last two weeks? If the key driver has been concern about a tapering in QE and a gradual increase in interest rates that would dampen the attractiveness of the MLP payouts/unit and increase their overall cost of capital, is this the end of the bull run of MLP and are we likely to see a further 20 percent-plus contraction. If not why not and if yes should we be pulling money off the table?”
Losing money is never fun, and perhaps even less so with MLPs, which are held for income and whose much bandied tax advantages accrue mostly to long-term investors and (especially) their heirs. But you didn’t subscribe for the therapy so let’s get into why rates have been going up and how much trouble MLPs are in.
The first thing to note is that the 10-year Treasury yield is just 10 basis points (each basis point is 1/100th of a percentage point) from where it stood in early March, lower than in April 2012 and a full percentage point below the yield in late June 2011 in the heat of the budget ceiling fight, when things were officially Very, Very Bad.
That impasse produced a US credit downgrade that proved irrelevant and fiscal austerity (as mandated by the whole ill-starred sequester compromise) that has a whole lot of relevance to why bond rates are so much lower two years later, despite the employment and housing gains we’ve seen since.
The low rates are often disparaged as a twisting of market forces by the Federal Reserve, and I can’t think of another mindset that has cost investors as much money in the last five years. Low rates reflect the reality of abnormally high unemployment, minimal inflation and stagnant incomes for the vast majority of workers. They are a byproduct of the fact that the economy is operating far below its potential, and all the bond buying by the Fed remains an essential holding action until animal spirits revive or, at the very least, the need to replace that 12-year-old clunker can be denied no longer.
So rates are not going to run away to the upside while the Fed remains a bulk buyer of long-dated government bonds, a policy it’s unlikely to reverse until the economy gets much stronger. The Fed has made this crystal clear, and in case anyone doubted its resolve it spelled out the targets that must be hit before it even considers hiking rates.
Those bogeys are a 6.5 percent unemployment rate and inflation projected to rise above 2.5 percent. Right now unemployment is at 7.6 percent and the Fed’s preferred inflation measure, the personal consumption `expenditures price index, is up 0.7 percent year-over-year, weighed down by outright price declines for durable and nondurable goods, as well as energy.
Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke and dovish allies like San Francisco Fed President John Williams have said they might reconsider the volume of bond purchases over the next several meetings, and they will. And when they do they will consider their stated objectives, the rate of economic progress and go right on buying. Signs of such progress have become noticeably scarce of late, with cyclical recoveries in housing and autos offset by weakness overseas and, more importantly, austerity in Washington. The Fed is not going to “taper,” much less reverse its quantitative easing if things keep trending the way they have been trending recently.
When it does taper, it will be because the economy is really stronger, and it will be a bullish development for equities, including partnerships tasked with upgrading America’s energy infrastructure. Because MLPs are not abstract yield plays but companies with a surplus of potential projects promising double-digit returns right now, on capital that costs them maybe 5 percent.
That infrastructure needs a lot of upgrading, as the industry makes a big transition from crude imports to exports of processed fuels. Moreover, it needs to transport vast amounts of energy from booming resource basins in places like North Dakota and Pennsylvania, where demand for such services continues to outpace supply. The notion that this enterprise will be endangered by a stronger economic recovery and the higher rates it would foster over time doesn’t wash even if you believe, as I do, that we’ll get one in the next year or two.
Enterprise Products Partners LP (NYSE: EPD) has returned 450 percent over the last decade. Kinder Morgan Partners LP (NYSE: KMP) has grown distributions from $17 million in 1996 to an expected $4 billion this year, a compounded annual rate of 38 percent. Without the yield, they would be known as incredibly successful growth companies, and not dependents on the Fed keeping things as is.
A sharp runup in rates would certainly make them temporarily less attractive. But a sharp runup in rates is exactly what’s not in the cards given current economic conditions and their conceivable evolution over the next six months. So treat this scare as the opportunity it is to pick up proven winners at a modest discount.
LINE has sold off sharply due to several articles in Barron’s regarding the companies option hedging. There was a additional article in Barron’s this weekend. Due you still feel positive about LINE, and maintain your buy rating?
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William Lasarzig
Robert, whats your take on some of the rumors that MLP”S will crash when interest rates start to rise or is the current Energy MLP correction just part of the rotation from interest yielding stocks. My take is if we have inflation down the road the energy MLP’s will go higher. Your insights would be appreciated
Igor Greenwald
I’m not Robert, but I just wrote a whole column on this very subject for our sister publication MLP Profits, and my view is that the rate fears are way overblown, as are concerns about the fallout for MLPs. The economy is a long way from healed, and until that happens the Fed will remain engaged. And if meaningful inflation were to show up sometime in the future, MLPs would be hedged via higher prices, absolutely. People were looking for an excuse to lighten up and rates offered a convenient one.
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Igor Greenwald
FYI, William.
Was it only a month ago that MLPs were hyped as the hot new Hollywood craze? Has it really been just two weeks since an uncommonly bullish industry conference all-but-yawned at rising bond yields?
It’s almost hard to recall how it felt at the time. Because now I get perfectly sensible reader mail like this:
“What has driven the 5-8 percent drop in the MLP Model portfolio over the last two weeks? If the key driver has been concern about a tapering in QE and a gradual increase in interest rates that would dampen the attractiveness of the MLP payouts/unit and increase their overall cost of capital, is this the end of the bull run of MLP and are we likely to see a further 20 percent-plus contraction. If not why not and if yes should we be pulling money off the table?”
Losing money is never fun, and perhaps even less so with MLPs, which are held for income and whose much bandied tax advantages accrue mostly to long-term investors and (especially) their heirs. But you didn’t subscribe for the therapy so let’s get into why rates have been going up and how much trouble MLPs are in.
The first thing to note is that the 10-year Treasury yield is just 10 basis points (each basis point is 1/100th of a percentage point) from where it stood in early March, lower than in April 2012 and a full percentage point below the yield in late June 2011 in the heat of the budget ceiling fight, when things were officially Very, Very Bad.
That impasse produced a US credit downgrade that proved irrelevant and fiscal austerity (as mandated by the whole ill-starred sequester compromise) that has a whole lot of relevance to why bond rates are so much lower two years later, despite the employment and housing gains we’ve seen since.
The low rates are often disparaged as a twisting of market forces by the Federal Reserve, and I can’t think of another mindset that has cost investors as much money in the last five years. Low rates reflect the reality of abnormally high unemployment, minimal inflation and stagnant incomes for the vast majority of workers. They are a byproduct of the fact that the economy is operating far below its potential, and all the bond buying by the Fed remains an essential holding action until animal spirits revive or, at the very least, the need to replace that 12-year-old clunker can be denied no longer.
So rates are not going to run away to the upside while the Fed remains a bulk buyer of long-dated government bonds, a policy it’s unlikely to reverse until the economy gets much stronger. The Fed has made this crystal clear, and in case anyone doubted its resolve it spelled out the targets that must be hit before it even considers hiking rates.
Those bogeys are a 6.5 percent unemployment rate and inflation projected to rise above 2.5 percent. Right now unemployment is at 7.6 percent and the Fed’s preferred inflation measure, the personal consumption `expenditures price index, is up 0.7 percent year-over-year, weighed down by outright price declines for durable and nondurable goods, as well as energy.
Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke and dovish allies like San Francisco Fed President John Williams have said they might reconsider the volume of bond purchases over the next several meetings, and they will. And when they do they will consider their stated objectives, the rate of economic progress and go right on buying. Signs of such progress have become noticeably scarce of late, with cyclical recoveries in housing and autos offset by weakness overseas and, more importantly, austerity in Washington. The Fed is not going to “taper,” much less reverse its quantitative easing if things keep trending the way they have been trending recently.
When it does taper, it will be because the economy is really stronger, and it will be a bullish development for equities, including partnerships tasked with upgrading America’s energy infrastructure. Because MLPs are not abstract yield plays but companies with a surplus of potential projects promising double-digit returns right now, on capital that costs them maybe 5 percent.
That infrastructure needs a lot of upgrading, as the industry makes a big transition from crude imports to exports of processed fuels. Moreover, it needs to transport vast amounts of energy from booming resource basins in places like North Dakota and Pennsylvania, where demand for such services continues to outpace supply. The notion that this enterprise will be endangered by a stronger economic recovery and the higher rates it would foster over time doesn’t wash even if you believe, as I do, that we’ll get one in the next year or two.
Enterprise Products Partners LP (NYSE: EPD) has returned 450 percent over the last decade. Kinder Morgan Partners LP (NYSE: KMP) has grown distributions from $17 million in 1996 to an expected $4 billion this year, a compounded annual rate of 38 percent. Without the yield, they would be known as incredibly successful growth companies, and not dependents on the Fed keeping things as is.
A sharp runup in rates would certainly make them temporarily less attractive. But a sharp runup in rates is exactly what’s not in the cards given current economic conditions and their conceivable evolution over the next six months. So treat this scare as the opportunity it is to pick up proven winners at a modest discount.
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Thomas Hauck
LINE has sold off sharply due to several articles in Barron’s regarding the companies option hedging. There was a additional article in Barron’s this weekend. Due you still feel positive about LINE, and maintain your buy rating?
Igor Greenwald
Yes I do, Thomas, and I discussed my reasoning at some length in yesterday’s Energy Letter:
http://www.investingdaily.com/energy-strategist/articles/17656/the-gospel-according-to-bp/
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Peter
What’s your take on this article (http://seekingalpha.com/article/1522192-linn-energy-added-debt-is-greater-than-the-dividend-plus-the-reserve-addition-value?source=yahoo), which claims that LINE is growing debt faster than value? Is this correct and if so, why do you stll recommend LINE.
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