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Sally Seawright
How likely do you feel it is the that the “at scale” demonstration proect of Siluria to convert natural gas to gasoline at a fraction of the cost of processing oil into gasoline will prove successful. If you regard a successful outcome as likely, and given that Siluria is not a publically traded company, who are the publically traded investors or partners with Siluria who would benefit financially the most if the demonstration project is regarded as a success and how many months (years?) likely would be required to actually bring a full scale “natural gas to gasoline” conversion plant on line?
Robert Rapier
There is very little chance that this can compete economically with oil without being heavily subsidized. I have personally worked on this process before, and oil companies have poured billions into it. The mechanism for the reaction is well-known, but it’s very challenging economically. In fact, one of Siluria’s executives was at a conference I was recently at, and I pressed him on the economics. The way he responded to my questions told me that they have the same economic challenges that the oil companies always have, they have just convinced people that they are doing something different in a different niche. Like KiOR. Or Gevo. Or Amyris. All publicly traded companies, all decimated or bankrupt.
Robert, A significant move in oil today over 6% more than most other drops over the past year or so other than military conflicts. There is now also a call for oil to settle in the low to mid $50’s which would make oil investing a almost profitless investment of the balance of the year. It seems our supplies are now inline, yes maybe a fall build, but not enough for this big a drop. Do you feel we can see moves upward or should I cut bait and buy at lower levels?
Robert Rapier
This is going to be a theme in this week’s Energy Strategist. The refiners still look pretty good, and the midstreams nearly always turn in a positive second half performance after a negative first half performance. The highly exposed oil producers are at the most risk, but future price declines are being priced in. I would be cautious right now, though, and if oil prices fall back to the low $40’s I would start to accumulate some of the companies that are most exposed to oil prices.
First, I appreciate your web chats very much. Second I know you talked about ALDW and it seems to have a significant distribution. As I review do you feel it has enough cash/sh @ $1.77 and earnings to continue to meet this high distribution of $2.84? Also the forward EPS seems stretched also? I have many MLP’s with reinvested distributions with significant returns over the last 6 years. I also own ALJ since your prior recommendation and feel good. If the price of Nat Gas dips I like the reinvestment with pricing drops for later harvest if needed.
What is going on with SXL, Sunoco Logistics. It has been down consistently for months with no negative news. Delek, DKL, appears to be following now.
Igor Greenwald
All MLPs have been hit hard by sellers panicking with little long-term reason, in our view. We plan to stay the course with the promising, largely proven midstream investments we’ve been recommending here, and think any further declines will present uncommon buying opportunities.
As MLPL is leveraged I assume that if at some point the underlying drops below a certain threshold UBS might liquidate it and investors will be left holding the (empty) bag. Is this assumption correct and if so, how far is the underlying still away from that threshold?
In the event the indicative value of the ETRACS ETNs is equal to $5.00 or less on any Index Business Day or the intraday index value on any Index Business Day decreases 30% from the most recent Monthly Initial Closing Level, the ETRACS ETNs will be automatically accelerated and mandatorily redeemed by UBS and you will receive a cash payment equal to the Acceleration Amount as determined during the Acceleration Valuation Period. The Acceleration Amount you receive on the Acceleration Settlement Date may be significantly less than $5.00 per ETRACS ETN and may be zero if the level of the Index continues to decrease during trading on one or more Index Business Days during the Acceleration Valuation Period as measured by the Index Performance Ratio on one or more Index Business Days during the Acceleration Valuation Period.
UBS’s Call Right – UBS may elect to redeem all outstanding ETRACS ETNs at any time on or after July 11, 2011, as described under “Specific Terms of the Securities – UBS’s Call Right” in the ETRACS Prospectus. If UBS exercises its Call Right, the Call Settlement Amount may be less than your initial investment in the ETRACS ETNs.
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Sally Seawright
How likely do you feel it is the that the “at scale” demonstration proect of Siluria to convert natural gas to gasoline at a fraction of the cost of processing oil into gasoline will prove successful. If you regard a successful outcome as likely, and given that Siluria is not a publically traded company, who are the publically traded investors or partners with Siluria who would benefit financially the most if the demonstration project is regarded as a success and how many months (years?) likely would be required to actually bring a full scale “natural gas to gasoline” conversion plant on line?
Robert Rapier
There is very little chance that this can compete economically with oil without being heavily subsidized. I have personally worked on this process before, and oil companies have poured billions into it. The mechanism for the reaction is well-known, but it’s very challenging economically. In fact, one of Siluria’s executives was at a conference I was recently at, and I pressed him on the economics. The way he responded to my questions told me that they have the same economic challenges that the oil companies always have, they have just convinced people that they are doing something different in a different niche. Like KiOR. Or Gevo. Or Amyris. All publicly traded companies, all decimated or bankrupt.
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Don D.
Robert, A significant move in oil today over 6% more than most other drops over the past year or so other than military conflicts. There is now also a call for oil to settle in the low to mid $50’s which would make oil investing a almost profitless investment of the balance of the year. It seems our supplies are now inline, yes maybe a fall build, but not enough for this big a drop. Do you feel we can see moves upward or should I cut bait and buy at lower levels?
Robert Rapier
This is going to be a theme in this week’s Energy Strategist. The refiners still look pretty good, and the midstreams nearly always turn in a positive second half performance after a negative first half performance. The highly exposed oil producers are at the most risk, but future price declines are being priced in. I would be cautious right now, though, and if oil prices fall back to the low $40’s I would start to accumulate some of the companies that are most exposed to oil prices.
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Don D.
First, I appreciate your web chats very much. Second I know you talked about ALDW and it seems to have a significant distribution. As I review do you feel it has enough cash/sh @ $1.77 and earnings to continue to meet this high distribution of $2.84? Also the forward EPS seems stretched also? I have many MLP’s with reinvested distributions with significant returns over the last 6 years. I also own ALJ since your prior recommendation and feel good. If the price of Nat Gas dips I like the reinvestment with pricing drops for later harvest if needed.
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John Hellow
What is going on with SXL, Sunoco Logistics. It has been down consistently for months with no negative news. Delek, DKL, appears to be following now.
Igor Greenwald
All MLPs have been hit hard by sellers panicking with little long-term reason, in our view. We plan to stay the course with the promising, largely proven midstream investments we’ve been recommending here, and think any further declines will present uncommon buying opportunities.
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Peter
As MLPL is leveraged I assume that if at some point the underlying drops below a certain threshold UBS might liquidate it and investors will be left holding the (empty) bag. Is this assumption correct and if so, how far is the underlying still away from that threshold?
Igor Greenwald
I don’t see this as a near-term likelihood, though UBS does have the right to redeem the ETN at any time. From their web site (http://etracs.ubs.com/product/detail/index/ussymbol/MLPL):
In the event the indicative value of the ETRACS ETNs is equal to $5.00 or less on any Index Business Day or the intraday index value on any Index Business Day decreases 30% from the most recent Monthly Initial Closing Level, the ETRACS ETNs will be automatically accelerated and mandatorily redeemed by UBS and you will receive a cash payment equal to the Acceleration Amount as determined during the Acceleration Valuation Period. The Acceleration Amount you receive on the Acceleration Settlement Date may be significantly less than $5.00 per ETRACS ETN and may be zero if the level of the Index continues to decrease during trading on one or more Index Business Days during the Acceleration Valuation Period as measured by the Index Performance Ratio on one or more Index Business Days during the Acceleration Valuation Period.
UBS’s Call Right – UBS may elect to redeem all outstanding ETRACS ETNs at any time on or after July 11, 2011, as described under “Specific Terms of the Securities – UBS’s Call Right” in the ETRACS Prospectus. If UBS exercises its Call Right, the Call Settlement Amount may be less than your initial investment in the ETRACS ETNs.
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