Our First Trio of Options Trades
On their own, each of the three trades below may seem modest at first glance. But the instant payments noted in the trade instructions are based on selling just one put—just one.
Together, these trades have the power to generate multiples of that if you sell more contracts.
But if you’re new to all this, it’s fine to start slow by selling just one contract for each. Or you can even just pick one of the trades and sell one contract for it.
After all, options can be a lot to wrap your head around at first. And if you’re still building your confidence, then I want you to go slow until you get the hang of it.
Regardless of how many trades you do or how many contracts you sell, it’s absolutely critical that you follow the instructions below to the letter, particularly when it comes to setting limit orders.
Take it easy at first, and you’ll be surprised by how quickly you become an old pro, with the ability to generate a steady stream of instant income.
And as you make more money, you’ll be able to increase the size of your trades—and create even more income.
Trade 1: Sell a Put on BPL
What’s in it for you?
Buckeye Partners LP (NYSE: BPL) is a master limited partnership (MLP) that can trace its lineage back to John D. Rockefeller’s Standard Oil Co. In addition to its well-known domestic pipeline operations, the MLP also stores crude oil for customers in terminals situated around the world.
This trade will generate immediate income of $43 per contract now, with the possibility of buying this high-yield MLP at a 17.6% discount to where it currently trades if the stock gets put to you. Investors should set aside $4,000 per contract sold to buy the stock in case the option expires in the money.
How to Make the Trade:
- Trade: Sell to open the May 18, 2018, $40 Put on BPL.
- Allocation: Sell one put for every 100 shares you would be pleased to buy at $40 per share.
- Prices and Instructions:
- Stock: $48.57
- Sell to open the May 18, 2018, $40 Put (bid/ask): $0.35/$0.50
- Set a limit order based on the midpoint of the bid/ask spread: a credit of $0.43.
- Tell your broker: “I want to sell a put on Buckeye Partners LP (NYSE: BPL) stock. Specifically, I want to ‘sell to open’ one May $40 Put for a credit of $0.43 per share or more.”
- This trade was published on Feb. 21. If the option price changes, you can adjust our recommended limit based on the midpoint of the bid/ask spread, which you should be able to see when entering the trade. Just make sure the potential credit is at least $0.43 per share or more.
The Win-Win Situation:
Selling a put allows you to create an instant payment of $0.43 per share, without the risk of stock ownership.
If the put expires worthless, then we’ll do another trade to create another instant payment.
If the stock is trading at or below the strike upon the contract’s expiration, then you’ll be buying this high-yield MLP at a 17.6% discount to current market prices, while locking in a yield of 12.6%—plus the premium you pocketed when you sold the put.
Trade 2: Sell a Put on SEP
What’s in it for you?
Spectra Energy Partners LP (NYSE: SEP) is one of the few master limited partnerships (MLP) with a mostly demand-facing business. The MLP’s 15,000 miles of pipelines deliver natural gas and crude oil under long-term contracts to customers in key demand markets.
This trade will generate immediate income of $53 per contract now, with the possibility of buying this high-yield MLP at a 13.6% discount to where it currently trades if the stock gets put to you. Investors should set aside $3,500 per contract sold to buy the stock in case the option expires in the money.
How to Make the Trade:
- Trade: Sell to open the June 15, 2018, $35 Put on SEP.
- Allocation: Sell one put for every 100 shares you would be pleased to buy at $35 per share.
- Prices and Instructions:
- Stock: $40.49
- Sell to open the June 15, 2018, $35 Put (bid/ask): $0.45/$0.60
- Set a limit order based on the midpoint of the bid/ask spread: a credit of $0.53.
- Tell your broker: “I want to sell a put on Spectra Energy Partners LP (NYSE: SEP) stock. Specifically, I want to ‘sell to open’ one June $35 Put for a credit of $0.53 per share or more.”
- This trade was published on Feb. 21. If the option price changes, you can adjust our recommended limit based on the midpoint of the bid/ask spread, which you should be able to see when entering the trade. Just make sure the potential credit is at least $0.53 per share or more.
The Win-Win Situation:
Selling a put allows you to create an instant payment of $0.53 per share, without the risk of stock ownership.
If the put expires worthless, then we’ll do another trade to create another instant payment.
If the stock is trading at or below the strike upon the contract’s expiration, then you’ll be buying this high-yield MLP at a 13.6% discount to current market prices, while locking in a yield of 8.4%—plus the premium you pocketed when you sold the put.
Trade 3: Sell a Put on DUK
What’s in it for you?
Duke Energy Corp. (NYSE: DUK) is not only one of the cheapest regulated utilities, it also sports one of the highest yields in the sector. But if we can get it cheaper, we’ll lock in an even higher yield.
This trade will generate immediate income of $65 per contract now, with the possibility of buying shares of the utility giant at an 11.6% discount to where it currently trades if the stock gets put to you. Investors should set aside $6,750 per contract sold to buy the stock in case the option expires in the money.
How to Make the Trade:
- Trade: Sell to open the June 15, 2018, $67.5 Put on DUK.
- Allocation: Sell one put for every 100 shares you would be pleased to buy at $67.50 per share.
- Prices and Instructions:
- Stock: $76.40
- Sell to open the June 15, 2018, $67.5 Put (bid/ask): $0.60/$0.70
- Set a limit order based on the midpoint of the bid/ask spread: a credit of $0.65.
- Tell your broker: “I want to sell a put on Duke Energy Corp. (NYSE: DUK) stock. Specifically, I want to ‘sell to open’ one June $67.5 Put for a credit of $0.65 per share or more.”
- This trade was published on Feb. 21. If the option price changes, you can adjust our recommended limit based on the midpoint of the bid/ask spread, which you should be able to see when entering the trade. Just make sure the potential credit is at least $0.65 per share or more.
The Win-Win Situation:
Selling a put allows you to create an instant payment of $0.65 per share, without the risk of stock ownership.
If the put expires worthless, then we’ll do another trade to create another instant payment.
If the stock is trading at or below the strike upon the contract’s expiration, then you’ll be buying this high-yield utility at an 11.6% discount to current market prices, while locking in a yield of 5.3%—plus the premium you pocketed when you sold the put.
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Michael Dunn
BPL filled at .40 In fidelity credits must be in .05 increments can not use .43 and .45 was above the mid point.
Also can not do this in my IRA unless I do a credit spread (ie. OFI)
Mike
Michael Dunn
also This trade of 2 contracts required me to put up $1,290 in margin to cover the trade. You should alert your new users of the margin requirement. I may be able to spend the $80 less commission, but I have $1290 tied up than I can not use. This system looks a lot like OFI with out the down side protection.
Mike
Ari Charney
Hi Mike,
Our focus has been on cash-secured puts, instead of using margin, but I think that it may be worth including those details nonetheless since others may be doing it that way too.
Unlike OFI, which is purely an options service, we’re fine with having high-yielding dividend payers put to us at the stingy price we set with the put.
If that happens, we’ll use that as an opportunity to create a virtuous cycle of income:
First, we collect the upfront cash from selling the put. Then, if the stock gets put to us, we collect the dividend. And finally as the stock approaches full value, we sell covered calls against it with a strike set at a premium price.
If the stocks never get put to us that’s fine too, of course. After the option expires worthless, we’ll sell another put with a strike that functions as a stingy limit.
Wash, rinse, repeat.
Best regards,
Ari
Retired Ron
Hi Ari;
Joined Sunday Night and Sold the Puts this morning. I’m a member of two other services that Sell Puts but was interested in yours because the stocks you pick are not the type other services use. Hope we all have a long and profitable number of years together.
Retired Ron
Back again, Just got into your new trade for .37
Sincerely; Retired Ron
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Ari Charney
Hi Ron,
Welcome–glad to have you on board!
Ari
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Ari Charney
Hi Mike,
Thank you for the details of the fill and the limitations of your IRA.
By the way, you should be able to sell puts in an IRA as long as you have the appropriate authorization (which it sounds like you would have already if you’re doing spreads) and, most important, the money set aside to buy the stock if it gets put to you.
Best regards,
Ari
Michael Dunn
I did check & I can do this in my IRA if I switch the Trade Type from margin to cash.
Mike
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Mike Wood
Hi Michael:
I have a Fidelity IRA, and did not need to enter a spread.
Mike
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Michael D
Hi Ari-
Just listened to the webinar, thank you! very well done by you both. just the right amount of detail.
two questions:
1) as a wealth society member do I still need to pay the annual fee?
2) can one sell puts in a Schwab IRA account or does it have to be a cash account with margin (I can check with them I just thought you might now the answer) ?
I have not sold any puts in my IRA account; I have level 3 so I do mainly spread and buy puts and calls.
thanks again exciting. Can’t wait to get cracking at this either way.
Ari Charney
Hi Mike,
Thanks for checking it out!
As a Wealth Society member, you have full access to this service with no additional fee.
You can sell puts in an IRA account, but they must be cash-secured puts, with the money set aside to purchase the stock if it gets put to you.
Best regards,
Ari
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Michael Dunn
Michael, as a WS member you are already covered. In fidelity I can do these trades if I switch the type of trade from margin to Cash. Not sure about Schwab. Just be aware of the margin required to cover the trade. Do not get a margin call in an IIRA
Mike D.
Michael D
thanks Ari and Michael for your responses. I am stingy with my margin in my IRA and track it like an eagle….
so I will just open another cash account to trade these and keep them separate. gotta do this. sounds fun. 🙂
good to hear about the WS covering the subscription costs.
thanks again.
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Maria R
At schwab I can trade in my IRA using cash secured named puts, but I have to call that in. Spreads are not a problem.
And Michael D. I would prefer to put those companies that issue a K1 in a taxable account and those that issue a 1099 in. Tax deferred account. I am not an accountant but I think if UBI exceeds $1000 more IRS paperwork/ reporting us needed
Michael D
Just catching up on all the stock talk entries on the new IM strategy service and saw your more back to me Maria. Thank you. Was previously unaware of the diff tax considerations K1 vs the 1099.
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Phil Ash
Congratulations on joining the Wealth Society, Michael. That’s a smart long-term decision to help build your wealth..
For anyone reading this who would like to learn more about joining, feel free to setup a quick call with me at http://www.calendly.com/philash.
In short, you get all of our current and future advisory services, including all of Jim Finks’ options trading services and next month’s launch of the Radical Wealth Alliance. Plus, you get numerous other services that help you prosper in any market conditions.
You pay a one-time initiation fee now and a very small ongoing annual maintenance fee thereafter. And anything you’ve paid us already would be credited towards your initiation fee.
If you’ve joined Income Millionaire and perhaps one more service of ours, the Wealth Society usually pays for itself in less than two years. After that, it’s just free money.
It’s the choice our most successful long-term subscribers have made.
So just pick a time to quickly chat if you want more info: https://calendly.com/philash . Thanks
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Mike Wood
Hi Ari:
I just joined. I was able to sell puts on 2 of the 3 new trades (DUK and BPL). I was not able to get the SEP at 0.53 or above. I assume I should abide by the limit you suggested.
Mike
Ari Charney
Hi Mike,
Thanks for joining!
I’ll need to include instructions for adjusting limits in future alerts. In general, we advise waiting 30 minutes, then adjusting the limit lower in small increments, while keeping in mind the minimum income you’d want to generate.
Best regards,
Ari
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David Miller
Ari,
Do you generally hold short puts to expiration, or do you buy to close after 70% to 90% of max profit?
Thanks
Ari Charney
Hi David,
In addition to generating upfront income, we’re also using put-selling as an alternate way of setting a stingy limit order for a high-yielding stock.
So in general, we’re fine if the stock gets put to us at that price because it allows us to collect a high dividend, and then later sell covered calls against the stock as it gets closer to full value.
That means most of the time we’ll keep the position open through expiration.
Best regards,
Ari
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Cyan
Hi Ari,
For the first two trades, the credit limit is $0.43 and $0.53.
Most of the trading platforms are not allowing that value. Instead can we use $0.40 and $0.50 ?
Thank you.
Ari Charney
Hi Cyan,
Yes, that’s fine.
Best regards,
Ari
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Mark B
Hi Ari, just joined Income Millionaire & looking forward to the successes shared on the intro video to generate regular income … I had just signed up for a similar options subscription with Motley Fool, but the IM offer was too good to pass on, so hoping both programs will prove out. 1 quick question – do you have any tools – either online or in excel – to track/monitor performance?
Thanks!
Ari Charney
Hi Mark,
Thanks for joining us!
We’ll have an online portfolio table just for options that we’ll use to help monitor the trades and track performance. It should be up and running by the middle of next week.
Best regards,
Ari
Mark B
Thanks Ari!
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Andrew Fabrizio
Hi Ari,
New member as well and new to options. I’m looking forward to the education. Would suggest to mention somewhere along the line of advertising that to make cash secured trades, a person would have to have about $15000 of freed up capital to start with these 3 trades.
Ari Charney
Hi Andrew,
Thanks for joining us!
We do mention the amount of cash needed to get going in our start-up guide:
https://www.investingdaily.com/income-millionaire/reports/41272/the-income-millionaire-start-up-guide
But I’ll mention your point to our marketers.
Best regards,
Ari
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Vincent Lummus
Hi Ari,
Will you be issuing the option trades on a set schedule, for example every Wednesday, or just as you find them?
Thanks ,
Vincent
Ari Charney
Hi Vincent,
There’s no set schedule. We’ll be issuing about three or four new trades per month via email alert.
Best regards,
Ari
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Victor
filled BPL @ 0.40, SEP @ 0.50 working on DUK. All at Ally
Ari Charney
Hi Victor,
Welcome–and thank you for posting your fills!
Best regards,
Ari
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Asjad Shamim
Hi Ari,
I just joined the Income Millionaire program. Little nervous but seeing the webinar did help making decision.
I have couple questions (sorry had to ask for starters):
1) When we PUT Sell stock, do we set “Order Type” as LIMIT or Credit? In the lide presentation i saw it was being set as “LIMIT” but above instructions mentions “PUT for a credit of”. So pelase advise.
2) How much money do we need to begin with here (at minimum)?
Again thanks and lookinf forward for the success here.
Ari Charney
Hi Asjad,
Thanks for joining us! And as I mentioned above, feel free to go slow at first while you build confidence.
When selling a put option, you want to set a minimum credit that you’d like to be paid for the trade. So the order type should be “limit.” Then you’ll input the limit amount specified in the trade instructions.
We talk about the amount of cash needed to get going in our start-up guide:
https://www.investingdaily.com/income-millionaire/reports/41272/the-income-millionaire-start-up-guide
Best regards,
Ari
Asjad Shamim
Hi Ari,
Thank you for the prompt reply.
Just found out that I do not have access for Put/Covered calls trading.
So working that out to get enable for it which will take couple business days per broker.
So questions is, if I get access to trade PUT/Covered calls by 2/26 (Monday), would above three alerts DUK, SEP and BPL still legible to enter or would they expire by today or tomorrow?
Trying to see whether if there any expiration as to when is the last day we should get the above trade entered or else its expired.
Please advise.
Ari Charney
Hi Asjad,
The parameters and pricing in the first three trades would probably change slightly from day to day, so they may no longer be valid by then.
But, no worries: We’ll have another trade ready to roll Monday afternoon, and then about one per week thereafter. So regardless of when you secure approval, it won’t be long until there’s a new trade.
Best regards,
Ari
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George McMillion
BPL filled at $.41
SEP filled at $.50
Thank you
Ari Charney
Hi George,
Welcome–and thanks for posting your fills!
Best regards,
Ari
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ETKTRIDE
Hi Ari
Also listened to your webinar today. Awesome information and I signed up for the Wealth Society as well… already an PF, OFI and VT member so I figured what the heck…
Made my 1st 2 trades today – thank you very much
SEP – $.60 CR
DUK – $.65 CR – both at IB
Happy Hunting!
Ari Charney
Hi,
Glad to have you!
Yeah, the Wealth Society definitely makes sense if you’re already subscribed to the others.
Best regards,
Ari
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Ashok A.
Hi Ari,
Joined the IM program just before the market close. Haven’t had a chance to make any trades yet. I have a question on the IM portal – does the Portfolio tab lists the trades where the stock was put to you? Many of them show negative returns. Any insight?
Regards
Ashok
Ari Charney
Hi Ashok,
Thank you for joining us!
That portfolio table is a legacy portfolio of equity positions opened by a former editor for which we’ve been providing ongoing coverage. However, I see at least one piece of total-return data that’s clearly wrong–Daimler is actually up 17.8% since recommendation, not down–so I spot-checked a few others, and they’re off a bit as well. As such, I’ve asked our tech guy to take a closer look at the total-return data populating that table.
Anyway, to answer your question, that table does not reflect our new options-oriented equity-income strategy. We’ll have a new table dedicated to options up and running by the middle of next week.
Best regards,
Ari
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Jeffrey J
SEP filled @ $0.55 at Tradestation.
DUK filled @ $0.70 at Tradestation.
Ari Charney
Hi Jeffrey,
Welcome–and thanks for posting your fills!
Best regards,
Ari
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Jeffrey J
Also, BPL filled @ $0.45 at Tradestation. Thanks, Ari.
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Dmann
DUK filled at .65
SEP filled at .53
Looking forward to project.
Ari Charney
Hi Dmann,
Welcome–and thanks for posting your fills!
Best regards,
Ari
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Allen Russell
Ari,
Good evening. I wish to utilize cost averaging for spreading my risk among the option contracts purchased. What will be the ~ avg. of options contracts recommended monthly?
Thanks
Allen Russell
Ari Charney
Hi Allen,
We’ll be issuing three to four trade alerts per month with contracts generally expiring within three to four months.
Best regards,
Ari
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Maria R
Thanks Ari for very clear instructions re the naked puts. Does DUK issue a 1099 or a K1?
Ari Charney
Hi Maria,
Duke is a corporation so you would receive a 1099, not a K-1. I wanted to make sure that the opening trades had at least one corporation because I know some folks don’t like to deal with K-1s.
Best regards,
Ari
Maria R
Thanks for the prompt reply
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Michael D
Joined all 3 trades this morning and filled on
BPL @ .45 CR
SEP @ .60CR
DUK @.75 CR
all at Schwab SS
thanks!
Ari Charney
Hi Michael,
Thank you for posting your fills!
Best regards,
Ari
Asjad Shamim
Hi Ari,
Sorry to bother you.
Are we still good to use above guidelines to enter order today?
Please advise.
Ari Charney
Hi Asjad,
The specific puts are still valid, but options prices have changed slightly since yesterday.
Our general guideline is to set the limit based on the midpoint of the bid/ask spread, which you should be able to see when entering the trade.
Ari
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ETKTRIDE
BPL filled @ $.60 CR – IB
Ari Charney
Thanks for posting your fill.
Ari
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Mike Wood
Hello. I loved the presentation, but am really concerned about 2 things:
1) The trend on the puts we sold sofar is pretty ? I am down over 50% on 2 of the 3 in 1 day. If they break resistance downward, we could have a huge negative return. Should we buy some protective puts a bit lower (creating a spread)? If we have to buy the stocks far below where we sold the puts, it is going to take a long time to ever get back to even, let alone make any money. I am down 100% on the BPL put, 28% on the DUK put, and 50% on the SEP put.
Also in looking closer at the numbers from the presentation, with selling 3-4 puts per month (averaging $50 per put), even if we are right 100% of the time, I am coming up with making only $3000 to $4000 per year, and struggling with coming up with any scenario where we could ever get close to a million. In order to make that $3000-$4000, we are going to be tying up $60000+ in capital (average 5000 per trade X 12 trades per 3 month cycle), suggesting only a 5-10% or so return with this method. Is my math wrong?
Ari Charney
Hi Mike,
We’re selling puts as another way to set buy targets to purchase stocks we’d want to own anyway, while also generating upfront income.
If the put expires worthless, we keep the cash and sell another put. If the stock gets put to us, we get a stock we wanted to own anyway, at a discount, while locking in a higher yield. Then we collect the dividend, while waiting for the stock to approach full value again. As that happens, we would then sell covered calls against it to generate more income.
Stock prices will obviously fluctuate between now and expiration. But the strikes were selected to be out of the money to accommodate that. BPL had a bad day on no real news pertaining to it, but it hasn’t traded at the $40 strike in years. Same with SEP and its respective strike, as well as DUK.
We discuss the math further in the start-up guide:
https://www.investingdaily.com/income-millionaire/reports/41272/the-income-millionaire-start-up-guide
Ari
Mark B
Hi Ari,
I was thinking about Mike’s 2nd point as well. I’m a newbie to options so am taking it slowly as a start. I think the key for sizeable returns is that the contracts would likely need to be greater than 1 (which is what I did to get started) – as trading 1 contract/trade will be pretty insignificant in the grand scheme.
I think in the start-up guide, it was mentioned that a well funded start point in the $350K range was thought to be likely for many, & with a 10% return projected annually, a $1M outcome was do-able say in the 14 year range.
That said, as to the successes that some others have commented on, to set some realistic goals/expectations for myself at least, are there some stats that can be shared as to # contracts/month being traded. Though not a guarantee certainly, it just helps gauge what’s needed to see much bigger returns than trading 3 contracts/month would generate.
Thoughts appreciated from yourself & from those much more experienced than me.
Many thanks!
Mark
Ari Charney
Hi Mark,
That’s correct. Selling multiple contracts is the key to generating more cash. But it’s okay to start slow.
We will generally be offering three to four trades per month. The number of contracts you sell is entirely up to you. But we recommend having the necessary cash on hand to purchase the stock if it gets put to you.
Some trades will offer higher upfront cash. And share-price appreciation plus dividends and covered calls will also be in the income plus total-return mix.
Ari
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Ian
Hi Ari, I enjoyed reading your intro and math behind it, it makes sense and seem to go easier on commissions than spreads including rolls. Seems like every program has winning and loosing points.
This approach is new to me and I am eager to start, unfortunately IRA accounts do not go to the level of supporting selling naked puts. So I have to fund an account with after tax dollars, which will happen sometime in March. Until then I will only be able to watch. I had a thought of converting your trade into a spread with inexpensive buy put just to participate, but I think it is kind of defeating the purpose, so I will wait.
How many trades per week were you planning to recommend, is the 3 trades as in current recommendation uncommon or is it a norm?
Like some others I also calculated about 4% per year from the premiums alone, I guess the other roughly 6% comes from owning stock, dividends, covered calls and selling at the higher price.
Ari Charney
Hi Ian,
Welcome! The three trades were just to get going.
Under normal circumstances, we will have about three to four trades a month–so about one per week, depending on the situation.
Some trades will offer higher upfront cash. And share-price appreciation plus dividends and covered calls will also be in the income plus total-return mix.
Ari
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Mira
On the last two trades, it says sell to open July 15th but there’s only expiration dates for July 14th on both companies. Does it matter if I sell puts July 14th instead of July 15th?
Mira
I meant June 14th and June 15th, sorry
Ari Charney
Hi Mira,
Yes, the options expiration dates for the second two trades is June 15.
Ari
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Walter Schwimmer
Hi, I signed onto my new account this afternoon. I own 300 shares of DUK in my account. Would it be advisable to sell covered calls on my holdings?
I listened to your presentation this week and after the presentation, I signed up. My experience was somewhat different than your description. Instead of the site requesting $2995 and an expectation of
$1000 return, 1995. was requested for a Lifetime subscription. I spoke with an agent from “Investing Daily” who reassured me that I have I have the Lifetime subscription. Please verify.
Can I use my IRA account for transactions involving MLP’s?
Ari Charney
Hi Walter,
I can’t offer personalized investment advice by recommending an options trade for a stock you already own. But in general, when deciding whether to sell a covered call, you’d want to look at a call that has a strike at a premium to the stock’s fair value and assess whether the potential short-term income that’s generated is worth the risk of the stock getting called away.
Yes, $1,995 is the net price for a lifetime subscription.
Although I’ve chatted with investors who hold MLPs in tax-advantaged accounts such as an IRA, they can create tax wrinkles, particularly when selling. Therefore, we typically recommend that investors hold MLPs in taxable accounts.
Ari
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Bruce
Hi Ari
Question # 1: Can you tell me what the historical performance of this technique has been in terms of the percentage of sold puts that expire worthless vs. the number of trades where the stock is put to the investor and then calls sold against the stock?
Question # 2: It seems to me that someone with a smaller account (lets say $25,000.00) would not be able to generate enough income to even pay the cost of the program each year because you have to have money set aside to buy stock when it is put to you. If you keep an average of $5000.00 set aside for each position, you will only be able to participate in 5 trades. Am I analyzing this correctly?
Ari Charney
Hi Bruce,
We set the strikes at least 10% out of the money and try to keep the time to expiration around three months. So most of the time, the puts expire worthless.
But unlike other options services, we’re not averse to stock ownership–this is an options plus equity-income strategy. So we generally recommend setting aside the cash necessary to buy the stock in case it gets put to you. But whether you sell cash-secure puts or use margin is ultimately up to you.
The upfront cost of the service is a lifetime fee, with a significantly smaller annual maintenance fee thereafter.
With $25,000, you would probably be able to participate in around five to seven trades per quarter (assuming one contract sold per trade and depending on the underlying stock’s share price) if you were keeping cash in reserve in case the stock gets put to you.
Ari
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Bruce
Hi Ari
Another question: What is the objective of this strategy? Do we want to have the stock put to us preferentially so that we can sell calls against it or do we want the put to expire worthless?
Also, in a situation like we have seen with this initial order where the stock prices have dropped since your recommendation – would it be acceptable to place a trade at a lower strike price than your recommendation?
Ari Charney
The objective of the strategy is to create a virtuous cycle of income:
First, we collect the upfront cash from selling the put. Then, if the stock gets put to us, we collect the dividend. And finally as the stock approaches full value, we sell covered calls against it with a strike set at a premium price.
If the stocks never get put to us that’s fine too, of course. After the option expires worthless, we’ll sell another put with a strike that functions as a stingy limit.
Wash, rinse, repeat.
The specific puts are still valid, but options prices have changed since the trade was published.
Consequently, our general guideline is to set the limit based on the midpoint of the bid/ask spread, which you should be able to see when entering the trade. Just make sure the potential credit for each is equal to or greater than the credits specified in the original instructions.
Ari
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Jeffrey
Hi Ari,
Filled SEP 35 Put @ 0.55.
For BPL, credit is higher @ 0.7. I won’t trade now as the price seems to be dropping toward the strike price of 40.
For DUK, credit is lower @0.4. I won’t trade now as it’s much lower than your recommended credit.
Am I using your service the right way? I hope to see more trade alerts and updates soon. Thanks!
Ari Charney
Hi Jeffrey,
Yes, that sounds like a reasonable approach to those trades.
Ari
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Juan Ramirez
Hello Ari,
So I was approved for Maximum Level of options trading (L-5) TradeStation to include margin. I placed the recommended trades with a little bit more of an edge once I figured out how to place the Put. All 4 trades were executed, not sure what the next step I should take, or have I maxed out my buying power with these 4. Looking for more guidance as this was not discussed in the 3 videos.
Trades:
EPD SELL TO OPEN 15JUN18 .50 1 FILLED PRICE .5000
BPL SELL TO OPEN 18MAY18 .90 1 FILLED PRICE .9000
SEP SELL TO OPEN 15JUN18 .60 1 FILLED PRICE .6000
DUK SELL TO OPEN 15JUN18 .80 1 FILLED PRICE .8000
Thank you,
Juan
Ari Charney
Hi Juan,
Welcome–and thanks for posting your fills.
It’s up to you to determine whether you’ve maxed out your buying power. While we’re comfortable taking ownership of these stocks if they get put to us (we wouldn’t sell puts on stocks we wouldn’t want to own anyway), we do try to greatly reduce that possibility by setting the strikes far out of the money when initiating these trades. Nevertheless, one obvious limit on buying power would be your ability to purchase the stocks if put to you at the strike price. Alternatively, depending on the situation, I will consider rolling puts for certain trades to avoid stock ownership.
Ari
Juan Ramirez
Thank you for the info. I’ve never traded options before so I apologize for basic questions. What it rolling a Put and when does this take place.
Ari Charney
Hi Juan,
If assignment of stock appears likely as we get closer to a contract’s expiration date, then we’ll consider rolling the put to avoid stock ownership. This would entail buying back the original put and selling another put at a lower strike price with an expiration a couple months out. While this would avoid stock ownership, it would likely reduce the initial credit received for selling the first put. In deciding how to proceed, we would evaluate which situation makes the most sense in terms of the fundamentals of the underlying stock, market conditions at the time, and potential future income generation.
Ari
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pipeline
Ari
question on SEP, read where because of new tax law they had to set aside some income related to rate case settlements(FERC)
not sure what this means or how it may impact SEP in future?
Ari Charney
Hi,
Similar to utilities, FERC- and state-regulated pipeline assets include taxes as part of the costs they pass along to customers. But they’re not allowed to earn a return on those costs.
Some of these tax liabilities are deferred. So in the near to medium term, regulated outfits might collect the full tax liability through their rates, but actually pay a lower amount in cash taxes. So SEP took a non-cash charge during the fourth quarter to account for the possibility that future rates could be adjusted lower and entail the refund of some taxes that were collected for a potential liability that will now be lower due to tax reform.
Unlike utilities, which are expected to pass along tax savings to ratepayers as soon as possible, most regulated pipeline assets are protected by existing contracts. So rates would only be adjusted lower when contracts come up for renewal or for future projects.
Any resulting refunds would be amortized over the life of the assets. Meanwhile, SEP plans to file for higher rates for the expansions and upgrades it’s made to existing assets. So the net result of accounting for tax reform would appear to be largely neutral to future cash-flow generation.
Ari
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Padman Menon
What about new recommendations? Will you mail them. How do I find it a s soon as you create them? Thanks
Padman
Ari Charney
Hi Padman,
New recommendations are sent out via email alert as well as posted to this website.
Ari
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ETKTRIDE
Hi Ari,
SEP closed at $34 today. At what point do we expect to get Assigned?
Thanks for your coaching on this
Michael
Ari Charney
Hi Michael,
While assignment could theoretically happen at any time when the stock trades below the strike price, the option still has time value in addition to intrinsic value.
Consequently, assignment may not happen until we get closer to expiration (assuming the stock still trades below the strike price at that point).
Ari
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Steve K
Do these trades still make sense for new money? The value of the BPL and SEP puts has soared, yet from what I have read, the should not be materially affected by the FERC ruling.
Ari Charney
Hi Steve,
These trades are from a month ago. Trades are generally valid for a week or so. Further, given the fact that the FERC ruling has caused one put to be in the money, while nearly eliminating the discount of the other, these trades are no longer suitable for new money.
Ari
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Cyan
Hi Ari,
Is it a good idea to trade BPL again, at this time ? Because we would be receiving approximately $200 as the stock is trading near $40.
Trade: Sell to open the May 18, 2018, $40 Put on BPL.
Thank you.
Ari Charney
Hi Cyan,
No, trades are generally valid for a week, and this was published a month ago. Further, the potential discount between the strike price and the unit price has since narrowed significantly, especially following the FERC’s reversal last week of a long-standing policy. In fact, the option has been in the money at varying times since then.
Ari
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Dora Smith
I’m a newbie too. After getting access for options trades, I entered my trades but none filled.
I am anxiously awaiting the next round of trades.
Thanks,
Dora
Ari Charney
Hi Dora,
Welcome!
The trades in the post to which you appended your comment are from a month ago and, therefore, no longer valid.
Trades are generally valid for about a week. Sometimes they fill right away–other times it takes a bit longer.
We generally do three or four trades per month. Our next trade will go out sometime over the next week.
Ari
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Dora Smith
I have to have cash on hand for put trades too, before I can place the trade.
It is going to be a limiter for me too. Hope I can make enough to pay for the subscription too. 🙁
Ari Charney
Hi Dora,
Cash can be a limiting factor, but it’s important to have if the stock gets put to you. If that happens we’ll then sell covered calls against the stock while collecting the dividend until the stock gets called away.
Ari
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Michael D
sorry Ari, I just bailed on the BPL May 18th $40 naked put .
closed it for .44 db.
I filled originally for .45 cr on feb 22.
things changed ALOT with this segment since we placed the trade and I decided I did not want to own it last week in the event we get assigned; and if I could get close to Break Even, it would be blessing from the trading Gods and I would Bail.
no offense, but I am relieved.
fyi and best of luck to the rest of you.
Michael
Ari Charney
Hi Michael,
That’s fine–and I totally understand.
Ari
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Vincent Lummus
Hi Ari,
I was assigned on the SEP puts. Which covered calls would be appropriate to sell?
Thanks,
Vincent
Ari Charney
Hi Vincent,
I’m looking at calls with the $35 strike. But right now, the potential June, July, and September premiums, at $0.10, $0.20, and $0.38, respectively, aren’t offering all that much given the underlying stock’s current discount to that strike.
So let’s see what the stock does for a week before making our next move.
Given Enbridge’s offer to acquire SEP, there are two potential catalysts that could help lift the unit price from current lows, thereby boosting the potential call premiums.
SEP currently trades at a 3% discount to the implied deal value, in part because disgusted unitholders probably threw in the towel after seeing Enbridge’s at-market offer last week. This action was likely also exacerbated by the stock trading ex-dividend the day after the announcement.
But the equity-for-equity transaction (SEP unitholders get 1.0123 shares of ENB for each unit of SEP) means that SEP should loosely track Enbridge’s share price.
I would expect that, after the initial shock wears off, the market will soon wake up to the fact that Enbridge’s sweeping consolidation of its subsidiaries is happening at bargain prices, even if the final deal terms moderately improve. If so, Enbridge’s share price could get a boost, and that, in turn, would help lift SEP.
The other potential catalyst is if the independent board committee tasked with evaluating the deal turns out to have a spine and successfully wrings greater value from this transaction than Enbridge’s stingy offer. That will probably take a bit more time than a week, however.
Ari
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ETKTRIDE
Ditto for me on the SEP Put as well… what is the next move?
Ari Charney
Hi Michael,
I’m looking at calls with the $35 strike. But right now, the potential June, July, and September premiums, at $0.10, $0.20, and $0.38, respectively, aren’t offering all that much given the underlying stock’s current discount to that strike.
So let’s see what the stock does for a week before making our next move.
Given Enbridge’s offer to acquire SEP, there are two potential catalysts that could help lift the unit price from current lows, thereby boosting the potential call premiums.
SEP currently trades at a 3% discount to the implied deal value, in part because disgusted unitholders probably threw in the towel after seeing Enbridge’s at-market offer last week. This action was likely also exacerbated by the stock trading ex-dividend the day after the announcement.
But the equity-for-equity transaction (SEP unitholders get 1.0123 shares of ENB for each unit of SEP) means that SEP should loosely track Enbridge’s share price.
I would expect that, after the initial shock wears off, the market will soon wake up to the fact that Enbridge’s sweeping consolidation of its subsidiaries is happening at bargain prices, even if the final deal terms moderately improve. If so, Enbridge’s share price could get a boost, and that, in turn, would help lift SEP.
The other potential catalyst is if the independent board committee tasked with evaluating the deal turns out to have a spine and successfully wrings greater value from this transaction than Enbridge’s stingy offer. That will probably take a bit more time than a week, however.
Ari
ETKTRIDE
Thanks Ari for your response… I am very new to this and my 1st 2 trades with IM have not been that Stellar (BPL closed at a loss and SEP Stock was assigned and at a HUGE loss as well).
Still Keepin the Faith…
Michael
Ari Charney
Hi Michael,
I certainly was not expecting federal regulators to deliver a knockout blow to most of the MLP space just three weeks after opening these trades. Absent that action, this situation would have been materially different.
Ari
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Ken Ledbetter
Looks like some folks sold the wrong option. You recommended the June 15 put on SEP. But no matter, it will be assigned to me next month unless some folks show a backbone and do right by the shareholders. I hated to see AGR go but it was a nice profit. I closed the BPL option last week and ended up with a $20 profit (about 2% on my money)
Ari Charney
Hi Ken,
Though it’s possible that some folks may have sold the wrong put, it’s also possible that they were assigned early, given where the stock trades relative to the strike.
While I don’t have high hopes for the independent board committee’s review of Enbridge’s offer for SEP, I have seen sponsors come back with slightly higher offers in similar situations. Even a measly 10% premium would be welcome.
Regardless of the final deal terms, Enbridge is buying back these assets at bargain prices. Recognition of that should eventually push up its share price, thereby increasing the implied deal value along with it.
I’m confused by your reference to AGR, which is not held by this service but continues to be held in the portfolios of our sister services.
Ari
Ken Ledbetter
Sorry, my mistake. The AGR option was a PF trade.
Options trading is new to me, didn’t know you could be forced to take a stock before the end of the option period. Seems rather unfair.
Ari Charney
Hi Ken,
While the risk of early assignment is theoretically possible anytime the underlying stock dips below the strike price on a sold put, it doesn’t typically happen unless the stock moves significantly below the strike for an extended period.
Ari
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George McMillion
I was assigned SEP. Will hold onto stock for now.
Ari Charney
Hi George,
Thank you for letting me know. I am waiting for an opportunity to sell a covered call against the stock. To this end, I’m looking for a premium of $0.40 to $0.50, but the market has obviously not accommodated that yet, especially given the ugly action in oil this week.
If the oil market shakes off its OPEC fears–it seems like the cartel is comfortable with oil at $80 per barrel, just not $100–then that should help Enbridge move higher again, which in turn would help SEP move higher, since its value will be pegged, at least loosely, to the deal terms.
The other potential catalyst would be if SEP’s independent directors negotiate a better deal for unitholders–I don’t have high hopes for that, but I’ve seen it happen with other MLPs in the same situation. Any improvement probably wouldn’t be more than 10%, but that’s better than the alternative.
Even if that doesn’t happen, there may be as many as two more growing payouts from SEP before the deal closes. These would total $1.54. And I would expect Enbridge’s subsequent performance would offer the possibility of further share-price appreciation.
So, it’s a raw deal in the near term, but a better end is in sight thereafter.
Ari
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George McMillion
Ari,
Thank you for your input, I’ll watch for any alerts. By the way, I reported my assignment on May 24 but was actually assigned on May 22. Patience always pays off.
George
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Victor
Was assigned SEP put on 5/31. Should we just hold stock or do you have a target price for it
Ari Charney
Hi Victor,
I am waiting for an opportunity to sell a covered call against the stock. To this end, I’m looking for a premium of $0.40 to $0.50, but the market has obviously not accommodated that yet, especially given the ugly action over the past week.
If the market can shake off its fears, then that should help Enbridge move higher again, which in turn would help SEP move higher, since its value will be pegged, at least loosely, to the deal terms.
Enbridge has offered to acquire the outstanding units of SEP it doesn’t already own by exchanging 1.0123 shares of Enbridge for each share of SEP. Nevertheless, SEP has traded at a 3% to 4% discount to the implied deal value since the offer.
The other potential catalyst would be if SEP’s independent directors negotiate a better deal for unitholders–Enbridge’s at-market offer is an unfriendly attempt to acquire the remaining stake in these assets at bargain prices. I don’t have high hopes for that, but I’ve seen it happen with other MLPs in the same situation. Any improvement probably wouldn’t be more than 10%, but that’s better than the alternative.
Even if that doesn’t happen, there may be as many as two more growing payouts from SEP before the deal closes. These would total $1.54. And I would expect Enbridge’s subsequent performance would offer the possibility of further share-price appreciation.
So, Enbridge’s initial offer is a raw deal in the near term, but a better end is in sight thereafter.
Ari
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Mark F
I was also assigned SEP today. I will wait for Ari’s advice.
Ari Charney
Hi Mark,
I am waiting for an opportunity to sell a covered call against the stock. To this end, I’m looking for a premium of $0.40 to $0.50, but the market has obviously not accommodated that yet, especially given the ugly action over the past week.
If the market can shake off its fears, then that should help Enbridge move higher again, which in turn would help SEP move higher, since its value will be pegged, at least loosely, to the deal terms.
Enbridge has offered to acquire the outstanding units of SEP it doesn’t already own by exchanging 1.0123 shares of Enbridge for each share of SEP. Nevertheless, SEP has traded at a 3% to 4% discount to the implied deal value since the offer.
The other potential catalyst would be if SEP’s independent directors negotiate a better deal for unitholders–Enbridge’s at-market offer is an unfriendly attempt to acquire the remaining stake in these assets at bargain prices. I don’t have high hopes for a revised offer, but I’ve seen it happen with other MLPs in the same situation. Any improvement probably wouldn’t be more than 10%, but that’s better than the alternative.
Even if that doesn’t happen, there may be as many as two more growing payouts from SEP before the deal closes. These would total $1.54. And I would expect Enbridge’s subsequent performance would offer the possibility of further share-price appreciation.
So, Enbridge’s initial offer is a raw deal in the near term, but a better end is in sight thereafter.
Ari
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Ian
Good morning Jim. SEP is finally over $35 strike price, we could sell stock at the small profit, or would it it make sense to keep selling covered calls to maximize profits.
Jim Pearce
Hi Ian. Great minds think alike! I will be issuing a covered call recommendation for SEP tomorrow morning at 10 a.m. after I see how the market opens.
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Jim Pearce
Just wanted to be sure you saw this: https://www.investingdaily.com/income-millionaire/alerts/42625/independence-day-for-spectra-energy-partners-sep
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Ray Wojciechowski
Hi! Jim. Anything we can do with BPL ?
Jim Pearce
Hi Ray. I am watching BPL and waiting for the premium on the $35 call option to improve before writing a covered call against this position. BPL is bumping along its lower Bollinger Band (at $34.53 yesterday), so it may bounce up towards its 50DMA of $36.15 next week. I’ll issue an Alert if/when I think its time to write a call on this position. Thanks.
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